Catherine sat down with Suzannah Brecknell about what her Civil Service experience has taught her, why she believes there is a critical gap at the centre of our institutions, and what she is doing about it.

We find out more about the National Strategy Project, which Catherine co-founded, and how civil servants can get involved in the work of renewing our democracy.

We also explore why biological anthropology –  the study of how humans organise to survive and thrive – turns out to be the perfect training for a career in government, and Catherine explains why she remains, despite everything, optimistic.